Art of Animation Lunch and OH MY GOSH IT’S SO CROWDED HERE!

by josh on February 1, 2013

We’ll pop into Disney’s “art of ANIMATION resort” for lunch and a look around.

Not much had changed since our last visit in September as discussed in this post.  That post also links to the other handful of updates on the resort.

I’m not sure I have anything else to say about it.

With the current promotion, Family Suites are being discounted 15%.  The Little Mermaid standard rooms receive no discount.

With the colors turned up.

Flat out of the camera.

The cone cabanas remain first come, first served.  Surprisingly(?) there were some available around 1pm.

We had some unseasonably high temperatures the last couple of days – 85 on Wednesday and then down to a low of 39 on Thursday.  You know the weather is changing when the recorded high comes at 12:05am.

The Cars characters seemed to be in pretty good shape considering most Disney vacationers are animals.

It’s out five !@#$ days — five days, and some !@#$ piece of !@#$ !@*&%^ with it.

I had been interested in trying the Mongolian Grill Beef Stir Fry for a while, after being fairly pleased with the Shrimp Tandoori.

What I received was pretty far from excellent.  While the shrimp were grilled up fresh, the Stir Fry is just sitting in a warmer.  While the portion on the monitor was a seemingly large helping served over rice, what I was received was just a few bites.  And by the time I arrived at a table to eat it, the beef and broccoli were warm at best.  The naan remains pretty greasy and the rice didn’t have a lot of flavor.  The side of cauliflower was surprisingly the best thing on the plate.  It’s cooked in a tomato marinara sauce of some sort.  Overall, the meal was below average.  As I think about Art of Animation’s food court, the items do seem to sound a lot better on paper than in “real life.”  I’m not sure if that’s other people’s perception as well.

I was dining avec Christine and Judy, who you may recognize as the forum moderators for the itinerary planning and theme park touring forums.

Christine gave the Buffalo-style Turkey Sandwich pictured above high ratings.  And she tells it how it is, so there’s even less fluff than what you get with me.

Judy opted for the $10.99 Create Your Own Salad, which is one of my favorite choices.  This is pictured without chicken or shrimp, one of which would be included if you so desired.  The Salad and Create Your Own Pasta are basically guaranteed to be delicious.

Kids can also get in on the Create Your Own Salad train for $5.99.  It’s an option for adults who really want a small meal too.

Via The Twitter, this is a picture of the Transportation and Ticket Center around 3:10pm on Wednesday January 30th.  I think there are two people in the frame, but I’m not certain.

To be 100% transparent, I did Photoshop three people out of this picture.  Barring a world tragedy of some sort, this past week should be the second least crowded of the year.  If you have the displeasure of following this website, you’ve probably seen me rant about “crowds” before.  This is the explanation of the overall crowd level you see on the crowd calendar:

The fourth line is an estimation of the overall crowd level. A “5″ refers to average crowds. Numbers above 5 refer to a larger than average overall crowd level and numbers below 5 refer to lower than average overall crowds. A day with an overall crowd level of “1″ means that the crowds are expected to be the absolute lowest of the year and a “10″ means crowds are expected to be at their largest of the year. In other words, the overall crowd level estimation will give you an idea of how many people are in the entire Disney World complex, including the four major theme parks, water parks, Downtown Disney, golf courses, resorts, etc. Individual theme parks can have smaller or larger crowds than the overall estimation, which is where the theme park recommendations come in.

And you can view a discussion about how those crowd levels are determined in this (locked lol) thread on the DIS.  Specifically, my response is in post 51, but the whole thread is pretty hilarious.

I’m not sure what else to do about the “crowd calendar.”  If the scale is going to continue being one through ten, then we have to have ones and tens.  And this week is “literally” a one any way you look at it.  There’s a week in September that should see fewer people entering the theme parks, but that’s it.  One important distinction between this website and others is that my crowd calendar only considers crowds from the past 180 days and future 180 days.  So crowds from January 2009, when we were in the midst of a worldwide recession, are of no consequence.  But since we can’t visit in 2009 again, I don’t think that matters.  The purpose of the crowd calendar is really to give you an idea about how crowded Disney World is going to be compared to other weeks when you could potentially visit.

With healthy visitation from South America and more and more schools switching to “weird schedules,” crowds are only getting heavier.  2012 was actually less crowded than 2011 by a little over 2%, but I would expect record crowds in 2013 with the New Fantasyland push and continued discounting.  Walt Disney Company has another quarterly report on the 5th, so we should hear some fresh numbers on resort occupancy and attendance.  This past January was the most crowded ever, mostly due to very heavy crowds spilling over into the first week from December.  Martin Luther King Jr. Weekend was also significantly busier than expected.  Disney was expecting about 25% fewer people to visit than 2012 and ended up getting about 25% more than expected.  When that happens, staffing is too sparse to keep up with the crowds, which only adds to the “feeling” that it’s crowded.

You may have also seen me mention that the difference between a “crowded day” and a “not crowded day” at Magic Kingdom is about 35,000 people in line.

When crowds are extremely low like they are right now, wait times are short because fewer people are in line.  But you still have a similar number of people getting on and off the attractions.

So when Buzz Lightyear has a five minute posted wait at 6pm, you still have the same number of people getting on and off the attraction as when there’s a 60 minute wait.  The difference between a “crowded day” and a “not crowded day” is the longer wait and additional people in line.

That also means you have a similar number of people walking around looking for something else to do.  The same number of people are riding Buzz and then walking around looking for something else to do in January as June.

This is as light as crowds get though.

A ten minute wait with FASTPASS still 40 minutes out at Space Mountain around 6:30pm.

One other thing to keep in mind is that when crowds are “light,” it actually matters more where you go each day than when crowds are heavy.

In late January, Magic Kingdom hours are short and the Electrical Parade is only offered on three nights each week.  That makes days with longer hours and the Parade significantly more crowded.  Telling people, “It’s a low crowd time so it really doesn’t matter where you go” is among the worst advice you can give.  It matters much, much more than in June or July when crowds are much heavier and Park hours and entertainment are more uniform.

Fast forward to July and the difference between a recommended and not recommended day at Magic Kingdom isn’t going to be as significant.  We’re talking peak waits at Big Thunder Mountain of 70 minutes instead of 100 minutes.  Or FASTPASSes at Peter Pan that are three hours out at 7pm instead of gone.  Here in January, they aren’t even operating the second Dumbo.

And there are five people in line for Goofy.

On a non-recommended Monday or Saturday here in January, the crowds would be much higher.

You may remember we visited briefly last Saturday and saw some of the heavier evening crowds.  With both Dumbos operating, the posted wait was 40 minutes.  Space Mountain was at 40 minutes instead of 10 minutes.  It’s really a night and day difference here in January.  Fast forward to July and crowds will still be better on a recommended day, but it’s not as significant of a difference.  If you see, “It was really crowded, but we walked on everything and the longest wait we saw was 40 minutes for Test Track,” you have my permission to punch them.

Be Our Guest continues being booked solid for dinner.  Even with “low crowds” here in January, lunch waits have been a solid 20 to 40 minutes from 10:30am through 2:15pm or so when they close the line.  It’s going to take an hour to eat lunch here pretty much no matter when you get in line.  I had originally recommended getting in line around 10:20am for 10:30am service, but people see the line forming and get in it themselves.  So my advice is instead to get in line after 1pm.  That way, you aren’t wasting time in the morning when waits are shorter.  The problem with that advice is that come May, the temperature is going to be 90 degrees at 1pm.  So there’s that.  There really isn’t a secret best time to get in line for lunch.  And I wouldn’t expect that to change anytime soon.  MyMagic+ may help alleviate some of the wait if people actually order via the app and there’s some way to pay without having to go to one of the ordering kiosks.  Otherwise, it’s going to be years until you can simply walk in and grab a quick sandwich.  It’d be nice if they could add some heartier options to Gaston’s Tavern, but I don’t see that being possible with the limited seating available.  The food at Columbia Harbour House is better if you can go without seeing the inside of Be Our Guest or have dinner reservations.

“Feels crowded” though.

Journey of the Little Mermaid had a 20 minute posted wait.

But there were so few people in line that they were running empty shell after empty shell.

This is the first time I’ve been on Journey since going on “vacation” in December.

Everything seemed to be working fine.

But I’m not smart enough to notice what isn’t.

Misunderstood, really.  Wait times continue to be exaggerated.

Gaston continues to greet guests into the evening – 7pm here.

The crane was scheduled to be on site for another week, but is now gone.

Feels crowded here too.

These walls outside Haunted Mansion are new.

Celebrate the Magic is the new-ish Castle projection show that replaced The Magic, The Memories, and Whatever.

It starts 15 minutes before Wishes and lasts about ten minutes.

I like to see the show in the Casey’s Corner area on Main Street.

There’s a PhotoPass photographer that people usually give some space, but he packs up right before Celebrate the Magic starts, creating empty space.  You can see how much empty space there is here about five minutes before the show starts.

The show is absolutely worth seeing.

It’s easiest to see on a night when the Electrical Parade isn’t scheduled.

Walt appears to announce one of his three quotes.  “It was all started by a Mouse.”

Brief fireworks at the end.

We’ll get over to the Polynesian for a look around and dinner at Kona Cafe soon.

{ 36 comments… read them below or add one }

Adrienne February 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm

Can’t wait for the look around poly. We are spending one night there (first, and possibly last poly stay) in may before switching to BC. I am quite jealous looking at these empty parks. We used to go in jan until my son realized he loves swimming in disney pools…but it has to be 90 degrees or so.

Ed February 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Josh, love the photos and envy you being in theparks as often as you are. i also have camera envy. What lens are you using for the ultra-wide shots. Thanks

josh February 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm

It’s the Canon 16-35mm F2.8 II.

melissa February 1, 2013 at 4:26 pm

This has nothing to do with this post, Josh – but just wanted to let you know I am most anxious for your assessment of the new RFID (or whatever they are called!) bands. If I missed your take/post on this – please let me know. Love your blogs!! Melissa

Jill February 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm

Aw, “Josh,” why did you have to post the link to that Dis thread? Now I have to go read the whole thing all over again.

josh February 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm

I’m more of a “wait and see what actually happens” kind of person when it comes to the whole MyMagic/FASTPASS+/etc. fiasco. So when we know what is actually is and what it actually does, then I’ll probably have an opinion about it. Sorry that isn’t very exciting.

RebeccaMcK February 1, 2013 at 6:26 pm

If we don’t stay at the Contemporary in 2014 I think we’ll stay at Art of Animation, hopefully in the Cars area – it really won’t matter which area we get because we can always walk around and see the other areas anyway. My kiddo loves all the pics.

Levon February 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm

I loved the projection show, so cool.

KHale February 1, 2013 at 10:03 pm

Was in MK on Wednesday same as you…had the place to ourselves. Walked on Space Mountain repeatedly in mid-afternoon. Went back on Thursday, since it was last day of 8 day stay. Noticeably different isn’t the word…NIGHT and DAY. Your recommendations were awesome during our trip, particularly with MK and AK.

Leanne February 2, 2013 at 3:01 am

We were in magic kingdom yesterday and it was busy. Those pictures taken from a few days ago is what I was expecting :/

judy February 2, 2013 at 3:09 am

I think they took crane down because they were shooting a shout out starring me for Good Morning America that morning.

Chrystal February 2, 2013 at 4:57 am

Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Tuesday the new fantasyland area felt like I was walking thru a sea of people. But the rest of the park was nice and the wait times were really low. Wednesday was even better. Especially in the evening. No waits on anything.

Also – you must be a photo ninja. I’m in one of those pictures, right in front of you and I never noticed you even there. I’m not going to say which because its a shot of my giant back side. :)

anon February 2, 2013 at 6:19 am

Josh: “Barring a world tragedy of some sort, this past week should be the second least crowded of the year.”

So, what is the traditionally the least crowded week?

Aaron February 2, 2013 at 8:45 am

Love that last eye-popping photo of the Polynesian.

magic1106 February 2, 2013 at 9:25 am

Does this mean no crane ruining my whole vacation in late April? What am I going to use as my rant for the upgrade demand?

RebeccaMcK February 2, 2013 at 9:42 am

@anon
I think Josh said there’s a week in September that’s even less crowded, so that would be #1. He didn’t say which week, though.

6elginfans February 2, 2013 at 10:19 am

Josh, you rock! No need to explain yourself. Let the non believers squabble amongst them selves and go to the wrong park, on the wrong day in the wrong week. That way they are not there when we are!

Mike February 2, 2013 at 10:57 am

Josh like usual u rock. 2 of my 3 favorite things to do while i wait for my next trip, is your posts and attraction magazine. Thanx for your diligence

Chicago Mama February 2, 2013 at 11:37 am

We were in MK on Wednesday, too. Fantastic! Walked onto Dumbo, met Pooh and Tigger, Daisy and Minnie with no lines. Walked onto Haunted Mansion and Pirates. Met Tink and Periwinkle after a 5 min wait. Rode Flying Carpets 4x and met Jasmine, no wait (can you tell we have 2 girls under age 4?).

One thing….they are having technical difficulties with the Little Mermaid ride. It was closed Wed AM and then again on Thurs AM. We were able to ride Thurs late afternoon, but the ride STOPPED twice while we were on it.

We will be going back the last week of January next year also…..this was GREAT! Thanks, Josh!!!

Tom S February 2, 2013 at 11:46 am

I was wondering if going with the least crowded park is just as important in Late February-early March or is that more like a busy time. I am going at the end of the month and would like some thoughts on that.

Sharon February 2, 2013 at 12:57 pm

We stayed at AoA in October. Loved the resort, not the food court. I returned that same stir fry dish twice because of temperature (or lack thereof) and finally just asked for a refund. Not a fan of lukewarm food. Other than that, we loved AoA!

Jonathan February 2, 2013 at 4:41 pm

I agree with Leanna above, yesterday in MK was really crowded (90+ minutes posted wait on Thunder Mountain). Not sure if that was teh diffrence in a 1-day and a 3-day or what because we just can’t go more than once every 4-5 years. We went Wednesday also and had a great time with walk-ons almost everywhere. Hollywood Studio’s got really crowded Thursday after about 11:30 as well. I think there was some kind of cheerleading competetion going on that lead to larger crowds the past couple of days. Otherwise, we followed Josh’s recommendations and had a great Disney trip.

Clover February 2, 2013 at 5:10 pm

I love seeing the park that empty and I cringe knowing that I’m missing those record lows by only two weeks.

anon February 3, 2013 at 5:59 am

Yeah, I was kind of wanting to know WHICH week in September, since we were planning on going in September 2013 anyway and if I could pick that week, it would be awesome. ;)

kelly February 3, 2013 at 8:46 am

Yeah I was hoping to know the quietest time in September It will be our very first visit to Disney from the uk, my daughter is disabled and manages noice and crowds with ear defenders hugs from mummy :-D . Will were thinking about going last week in Aug and first week of September, how crowded will those times be ?

James N February 3, 2013 at 11:10 am

As usual, photography is a scam.

Dan February 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm

I would guess the week of Labor Day would be the quietest week in September. Most everybody will be back in school by then, even the late starters. I think Labor Day itself isn’t much more than a normal day and the days after are even quieter. Typically the week after that, the Halloween parties start and the parks start getting more crowded. We have went 5 times in September, ranging from arriving on the 13th to departing on the 30th and never seemed to have an issue with the crowds, but each week later into Sept we went the busier it “seemed”. We have never went the week of labor day, but I recall looking at the busyness reports of the parks in the days prior to our leaving, and hoping that the crowds stayed that way when we got there.

Shay February 3, 2013 at 6:51 pm

I was there both Tuesday and Wednesday this week. What a difference between the two. (MK was recommended on Tuesday, but not Highly recommended.) I couldn’t believe the low crowds on Wednesday! It was amazing!

Shawn Kerr February 4, 2013 at 1:30 am

Might have to go around this time. I normally go for 2 weeks around the middle-to-end of September. I know crowds happen in Disney World, but I seem to go when the slowest (physically and mentally) go. Seeing practically nobody would be a dream.

kelly February 4, 2013 at 2:22 am

Hi, when is Labour day. Lol sorry I am in the uk. I should just google it. Thanks

Kevin February 4, 2013 at 12:41 pm

Clover – I think Josh picked some really good shots. I was also in MY that day and while his descriptions of the wait times are accurate, the average street looked much more crowded than that. (Particularly around the 7 Dwarves Mine train – that whole area will be super congested until it’s finished. I shudder to think what Spring break will look like in the area behind Pooh.)

We also park hopped over on the 27th after Fantasmic for EMH. That was spectacular.

siskaren February 5, 2013 at 10:36 am

@ kelly – If you haven’t googled it yet, Labor Day is the first Monday in September.

Olaf February 5, 2013 at 10:47 am

>>>It’s the Canon 16-35mm F2.8 II.<<<

sweeeeet. had no idea blogging WDW was so profitable.

TriSeb February 6, 2013 at 11:34 am

Olaf, Josh is retired!

Dana B February 6, 2013 at 6:48 pm

Just wanted to thank you so very much for your estimated crowd calendar. I just got back from being there January 26-Feb 2nd and I printed it up and memorized it. You are SPOT ON my friend. I never see anything on Disney Quest and we go there every trip. But it was super quiet in there on Thursday and Friday. The cast member said weekdays you are usually good during off season of course. And we stayed at the Art of Animation and your food analysis is spot on. It was cafeteria food at best–blegh. Thanks for your site!

lisa m February 16, 2013 at 6:36 am

we have gone to disneyworld on laborday every year since 2008 and are returning the same time again this year. it is my favorite time to go. we get free dining and the crowds seem much lighter than other times we have visited the world. last year we went to one of the parks right on labor day and i was surprised at how light the crowds were for a holiday. each year we follow josh’s crowd calendar to pick the days we plan on visiting the parks. my other suggestion is to make sure that you make dining reservations for the more popular restaurants (especially in epcot). i highly recommend going around labor day. this year it falls on September 2nd.

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